We’re a little squished in here today, but it’s okay. We all love each other. We’ve all been around each other a lot. So we’re good.
Today you guys, we are talking hormones and soft tissue. Exciting, exciting. And we have a special guest. I know, right? Dr. Brooke Leverone is a hormone specialist. She has been around protocol family for a long time now, and we love her to death.
She is the one who knows everything about anything, about everything, about anything. She really is, and I love her glasses. I’m going to steal them at some point.
We are talking again, we’re talking soft tissue and hormones and how hormones affect soft tissue. Because as Mark says, hi, Dr. Brooke coming all the way from Ireland.
Across the pond. Got interesting speakers. Look, what we’re doing today is that we talk a lot here about injury. We talk a lot here about soft tissue. We talk a lot about patterning and compensatory patterning, and we thought about what was really interesting.
Oh, Martez Smith says she is so excited to see. We talk about a ton of different patterning and injuries, but what we fail to see a lot of times is that the inside changes the outside.
Yes. People think about the inside, they think about nutrition and what you put in your mouth. We find that a lot of people, especially in January, are busting their tails to work out, change their world, change their nutrition, and are still having a really hard time with it, right?
Because it might not necessarily be what you’re putting in your mouth, but what’s going on with your hormones and your hormone imbalance.
We want you to talk to us about hormones. Like really what are hormones? Because people have this misunderstanding that it’s, they don’t really know what it is.
They’ve just been told. It must be your hormones or your hormonal, or you’re getting older, or your hormones are changing. But what does that mean?
Yes. Yeah. So what are hormones? I think that, especially for women, this can be hard because our hormones are more complicated and in traditional medicine, it isn’t really addressed.
Hopefully I can clear some of that up today. We have, of course we have multiple different hormones. A lot of times we think of hormones is testosterone for men, estrogen for women.
There’s also progesterone as we both have all of those. Men and women both have estrogen and testosterone, right? There’s also the adrenal glands, which is our fight or flight, which helps us with stress management and our thyroid gland, which produces thyroid hormone, which is the pacemaker of the body. Of course, insulin for blood sugar.
All of those hormones come together kind of on a wheel. I like to think that dictates the ebb and flow of the body and the balance of each of these hormones together is really important.
If something comes out of balance on that wheel, the whole wheel is gonna fall apart. That may be your reproductive hormones or your adrenal hormones, or your thyroid, or a combination there.
Of course, there’s the reproductive hormones that are really important for reproduction sex drive and the reproductive hormones also have a huge impact on our musculoskeletal health as well too. No.
How does that work?
As far as we have certain things that we are given right in genetically, and then there’s a way where if they are out of balance, I think a lot of people think like men are supposed to have a lot of testosterone and women are supposed to have a lot of estrogen, but there is that balance.
As we age, how do things change? If it doesn’t change just with age, or does it change with how hard we’re working and if we’re working out so hard that we’re not really paying attention to our body, can the hormone shift and, and get off track from.
When Diet Changes And More Sleep Don’t Help
My personal example of this same ratio, this is how I actually started with Brook. I think it’s about how we really got started as I was hard charging here all the time, going back and forth to LA back in here.
I’ve been able to keep up a hectic pace of traveling all of a sudden I couldn’t. And I tried changing my diet. I tried getting more sleep, but I was just ragging everywhere. Rook noticed this and it was like, okay, let’s just get a blood panel done. Let’s check it out and fed out.
Most of my stuff looked okay, except Doritos were shocked. They were gone. And, and I’m like, okay. We happened to look over that little, a testosterone thing. I was always thinking, oh, I’m good. No, I had dropped significantly.
I’m like, okay, how do we change that? We started on a program and I started changing it, trying to do it without doing too many alterations and with the test or I was wrong.
Cause I’m trying not to have testosterone injections. I’m trying to avoid that if I can. We know we took another blood test and noticed it actually dropped even further.
We’re taking it another route, another approach, which I feel so far, that’s making a change. We’re going to do another blood test pretty soon just to make sure we’re going up.
That’s how I, but really it was the needles being shot. Yes.
What was interesting too for you is that after you got that first result, you pushed yourself even harder in the gym thinking, oh, I’m just going to go out more and get those levels up.
And it ended up backfiring. Really important, point to your, to your situation with what’s going on there, which made me lose, of course what the original question was. But were talking about.
How, like, Can you push yourself hard to really yet drop your hormones? Cause, cause people hear about adrenal fatigue and adrenal. Like I was the same way.
I, my adrenals were, my stress levels were like up here being a small business owner, being older, I’m turning out to turn 50 this year. Things are changing at the time for me. It isn’t always push harder and push more.
That’s, I think a big misconception is that it’s not always how hard you’re pushing and it, sometimes you get to trust your body, that it knows what it’s doing and it’s changing for you specifically to help you. Right?
Yeah. A couple of things can happen there. Over time, we live in kind of a crazy stressful world, especially obviously the last year and few months.
For most of us normal humans over here, we’ve had some stressful times and in the world that we live in, know that the phone’s going, the emails going, that you’re stuck in traffic, the kids, the work, all these things, Facebook lives.
All of this stress over time can really start to impact us. Some people genetically are more prone to issues with adrenal fatigue than others. Some people can push, push for longer periods of time before it breaks down.
When and when, and if the adrenals start to decline and function, which they just do over time, chronic stress, that impacts that whole wheel I was talking about earlier.
That can throw your hormones off and that can affect your performance in your energy levels and your muscle mass. As we age, of course, we go through natural menopause, women and men also go through andropause, sorry, but it does happen.
This is a natural progression of there’s the human nature where our hormones start to naturally decline. Like, what I always like to tell people is, a hundred, 200 years ago, we popped out five kids fought some Moore’s and were dead by 50.
So it didn’t really matter. Right? Now we’re living a whole other lifetime. It’s like mother nature. Hasn’t caught up, gotten the memo yet that we have more life to live and give after the chain, if you will.
What happens is with the decline in those hormones, we just don’t have the vitality that we used to and those hormones directly impact your muscle health.
With the decline in hormones over age, with the effects of either adrenals, both of those things can happen independently or together with each other to affect how we feel physically in our performance as we’re doing our fitness routines.
That brings up a good point because I think a lot of us, I know we get a lot of clients who come in here, we talk nutrition, we talk health, both physical health and emotional health and hormonal health, which we always throw out to other people because that’s your specialty.
Right? At the same time, people assume that they just need to take more testosterone to get more, to get bigger, bigger muscles. They get to take vitamin K because that was the big thing that was a big topic.
Or they get to take whatever it is, magnesium, because they’ve got inflammation. Or now it’s all about drinking collagen and it’s like college and college. What a lot of people have a tendency to go and go onto shows that tell you generalities of things and or Dr. Google. They Google up all of this stuff.
And, and we tell them like, it’s gotta be specific to you. Right? Like what is a big thing with people Googling or reading up on things that they think that they should take? Like what could possibly go wrong? Yeah.
Well, yeah. So for one thing, careful with Dr. Google, because he’s a bit of a quick, right? So you’re there.
The problem is there’s so much information out there and there’s a lot of misinformation out there.
I appreciate patients who are trying to be proactive in their health care and go out and try and figure out what can I take? What can I do? Like, what are my options,
Right. The soaking in it, they’re actually trying to make a difference. Right,
Right. Yeah, exactly. Which is great.
The challenge is because there’s so much information and misinformation, it’s a really hard to sift through as a lame general layman’s person, which is why people like myself and other functional medicine doctors, this is what we do.
This is what we help to personalize for you, because it could be that, your adrenals are really what the issue is. Maybe you’re just adrenaline tapped and your fatigue, and that’s enabled to be affecting your hormones.
With your adrenals, it could be, is your cortisol too high? Is your cortisol too low? Is it the dopamine? It could also be nutritional status. It could be inflammation. It could be oxidative stress.
It could be a lot of other things that are making you maybe feel like things just aren’t working the way that they should be. You have to be careful with going out there.
Well, the thing is you may not be hitting the mark, right. If you’re going out there and buying, oh, I heard this is good for me. I heard about B vitamins and deer antler.
All of these things are good for me. So I’m going to take them right. And it may be missing the mark. And then you get frustrated.
You’re not getting any better, maybe even doing more hard.
Well, and I think what happens is our bodies don’t even, they don’t know how to absorb it.
Like some people just don’t absorb certain things and yeah, some people don’t understand that you actually have to take something that helps. The other thing is actually absorb.
More synergistic effects.
I mean, we talk about it a lot in here, Dr. Brooke, I have a question in relation to pain management on the hormonal level, and with adrenal fatigue,
Chronic Pain And The Pain Response
How does the impact or effect the pain response to chronic and acute pain?
So really good question. Adrenal fatigue, we, adrenal fatigue is a balance of hormones and neurotransmitters. So we have cortisol DHA.
We also have epinephrine dopamine norepinephrine norepinephrine is the body’s natural anti-inflammatory and pain reliever. Okay. A lot of times when people are adrenally fatigued, they’re actually depleted in norepinephrine as well, too, as part of that picture.
That will directly contribute to being in more pain because you can’t manage the pain and inflammation naturally through your own mechanisms. That’s part of nor epinephrine’s job.
The other piece too, is that without estrogen and testosterone, depending on the patient, then that are balanced, that also affects the integrity of the muscles and the musculoskeletal system.
As that declines, that will also contribute to pain because we’re losing integrity of that system.
Okay, cool. And that’s a great question. Yeah. Good.
Question. Really good question.
That pushes me into the inflammation side. We talk about inflammation all the time, because we talk inflammation all the time, right?
You hurt yourself, your body gets inflamed, your muscles, your soft tissue gets inflamed. What about this inflammation that we are hearing on the inside?
Because people don’t understand that inflammation on the inside and inflammation on the outside two very different things potentially.
So how does that work? What exactly are we talking about when we’re talking inflammation?
Yeah. So inflammation, we actually need inflammation. Inflammation is a normal part of our physiology.
When we injured ourselves sprained or broken something, or we have a cold or flu that we’re fighting, the inflammation is the immune system’s response to coming in and removing the virus or bacteria, repairing the tissue.
As a result, you get redness, swelling, heat, maybe some mucus or post discharge. Right? All of that is a side effect of the collateral damage of other tissues in the area, from the inflammatory process, which is necessary to heal the injury, fight the cold. But if you’re having that process.
That process is done, you’re over the cold and things healed, then it’s over and it’s fine.
If you’re having it where you’re having inappropriate inflammatory responses go on underlying all the time, then you’re going to have unwanted tissue damage on a regular basis. This is why we want to control inflammation.
Inflammation often can come from, there can be some genetic variances and other reasons for it. I always look at your diet and the gut first, because you could potentially be eating foods that you’re sensitive to, that you don’t realize.
I mean, and I’ve had people come back allergic to blueberries and broccoli. It’s not just the gluten and the dairy that we all think about, but there could be things that you’re sensitive to, which can change over time.
Changes like you can be, you can have like no a dairy issue, no dairy problems when you’re younger. As you age, all of a sudden you become lactose-intolerant.
Lactose intolerant and being sensitive to the dairy proteins are actually slightly different. Okay. I’ll, won’t go into the details. I just wanted to point that out because a lot of people say I’m lactose intolerant.
I’m like, well, that doesn’t mean you can take lactate and be okay. You’re sensitive to the dairy. You shouldn’t be eating the dairy proteins at all. Anyway, I digress.
The food sensitivities, if you’re eating foods that you’re sensitive, that you don’t realize that you are, they’re going to be creating some inflammatory response and triggering a general immune reaction.
Now the body’s running around going, what am I supposed to be fighting here? Also if you have imbalances in the microbiome, which that could be a whole talk, right?
The microbiome, which is our healthy bacteria that helps to control the immune system as well as other factors. That will have an impact on inflammation.
So there’s imbalances there.
That’s where I always look for patients. We want to mitigate the inflammatory response because when you have that unwanted inflammation, would that tissue damage that can occur, you’re going to get that’s the basis of all disease processes.
That’s what we’re trying to avoid, of course. That can make that can degrade muscle health. I can help that can prevent you from losing weight that can prevent you from gaining muscle and those chronic injuries and that chronic pain that the gentleman was just asking us about can be made worse as well through chronic inflammation.
Yeah. If you’re all of a sudden, you’re starting a program you’re starting to work out differently, you’re eating differently.
You’re going off of whatever diet is like the big diet in the moment. Like a lot of people are nothing against keto, nothing against paleo, nothing is, but if it might not be for you, right.
It might not be something that is actually helpful for you in order to, you’re seeing somebody else’s affects and trying to create your own effects via whatever their reaction is to it. Right.
You’re seeing somebody who’s gained all this muscle. Who’s only eating like meat and that’s all they’re doing is the carnivore diet. That’s all they’re eating is meat and it might be for you or it might.
We, how would we, what would be some of the symptoms or signs that we might see if all of a sudden something isn’t going right for us besides just like,
That was kind of challenging because I feel like it’s like the slow build where you kind of don’t notice it. This is a terrible analogy. Do you guys know about the frog and the boiling?
The Frog And The Boiling Water
I use it all the.
Time. Okay. Yeah. The frog and the boy, if you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water, it’s going to freak out and jump out. If you put a frog in water and slowly turn the heat up, it’s not going to notice.
Yeah. So that’s kind of what happened. So it’s kind of hard to tell. This is why I actually like to do detoxes and cleanses once or twice a year because it allows you to step back and reset and go, okay, am I actually feeling as best as I could?
What might be impacting me right now? Because if you’re eating something or doing something on a regular basis, and it’s starting to degrade your health over time, it’s a slow build and you don’t really notice.
The challenge too is in our society is we normalize so many abnormal symptoms like, oh, headache, just take an Advil.
Oh, DMS, just take my dog. Oh, upset, Tommy, just take some Pepto-Bismol right. These things are all made normal. You just take these things over the counter and it’s fine. Right?
A lot of times we don’t realize when the things come on, but in, and so that’s why I like to have people do an elimination diet, of detox so they can reset and step back and see what’s actually going on.
In general, we’re looking at things like fatigue, headaches, brain fog, changes in digestion, maybe more allergy symptoms, itchy skin, more joint pain.
I find that people who are struggling with musculoskeletal issues who have chronic back pain or shoulder pain or anything like that, if you’re struggling with some of those chronic injuries and the chronic pain, most likely you need to cut down on whatever inflammation is going on in your body to get a, really get a hold of it.
Yeah. It’s so we, a lot of times what we’ll say here is your pain is your ally and not your enemy, right?
Yeah. That’s such a good.
Analogy there. The pain is telling you something. If you’re having symptoms that are coming up that are a little off kilter that are off center, that you’re just like, Ooh, it’s really it’s for you. Your body’s really here to here.
Yeah. It’s like, if you have heartburn, it’s not your Pepcid AC deficient it’s your digestion is telling you, Hey, I don’t like what you just put in me or I’m I need some help processing what’s happening here.
So, listen to what your body is telling you. That’s the biggest tool that you can gain is understanding that feedback from your body to know that it’s trying to guide you in the right direction.
Yeah. One of the first steps that we always say is you get to connect with your body because we are very disconnected as a society. We’re here about taking all this stuff on the outside in hopes that it’ll make us better on the.
It’s just like, and that’s one of the reasons why I wanted to get you on here is not because you’re just out in of information. When we talked to her, literally we hold her up for hours in here where we’re.
Just like, I’m going to do my workout. And she’s here.
For hours because we’re going to talk to her all the time. A lot of what we’re doing and what we’re doing is we try to, we want somebody else to make us better. It’s really about you making you better.
As far as soft tissue, in order to create, increase your soft tissue or increase your muscle tissue, sorry, increase your muscle tissue to build more muscle tissue or to work with what you’re having.
You have to first understand what’s working and stop reaching out for any and every other thing other than,
Yeah, because yeah, it could be that you’re, adrenally fatigued. It could be that you’re having hormone fluctuations.
It could be that you’re having oxidative stress and inflammation, mitochondrial dysfunction and nutritional deficiencies as well too, because a lot of times, we’re on restrictive diets, you may be nutritionally deficient, or if your digestion is not working as well, you could not be absorbing the food as well.
There are lots of elements that contribute to the way you feel. I think it’s important for people to understand these elements as we are talking so that you can understand, it’s not, you can’t just go out there and be like, I’m going to take this or this and this, and it’s going to get better.
And it may, band-aid it. You may be like, Ooh, I for.
Second. Yeah. But then it’s.
Like, pre-workout, she looked at me when she said that.
Or the long-term, you’re not, you’re missing the mark. You could be missing the mark and potentially doing some challenges. Right.
Well, it is something like people will. If you find yourself more sensitive to inflammatory pain, there’s a specific do’s or don’ts when it comes to diet to affect your form on all levels.
Is that, was that a question or? Yes. Okay. So is there a,
The Dos and Don’ts of Diet And Hormones
Are there specific do’s or don’ts when it comes to diet to affect your hormone levels when you’re, if you’re sensitive to inflammatory pain.
Yes. What it sounds like is that you have a chronic pain issue and that there’s an inflammatory process that triggers the pain.
If I’m understanding that correctly, and how is that related to diet and what can you do about it? Typically my patients who are in chronic pain and maybe they have an auto-immune issue, or maybe there’s something else going on, there’s the anti-inflammatory diet and that’s something you can easily Google there’s cookbooks and other books about the anti-inflammatory diet.
I liked the paleo anti-inflammatory and there’s a cookbook called the practical paleo. It’s a whole paleo cookbook. And there’s a section on inflammation specifically. It’s by Diane Sanfilippo or did she write the other one?
I’m pretty sure it’s her. Anyway, the practical paleo, that’s a good resource for you, but it’s the anti-inflammatory diet, which takes away your sugar, your processed food, your packaged foods, your trans fats, your fried foods, food colorings, preservatives, you’re focusing on whole fruits and vegetables, lean proteins.
You’re minimizing corn, dairy eggs, gluten, because those soy, because those are the known triggers as well too. That’s the general recommendation dietary wise that I tell people to start with.
That’s a good one. That’s really good.
Yeah. I mean, it works. I mean, that’s kind of what I was talking about really about going back and resetting, doing an elimination diet detox, which is basically anti-inflammation.
Because you then discovered through that process, what might be the actual food.
Yes, exactly. If somebody does the anti-inflammatory diet and you do it for, I recommend at least three weeks, it could end up being a lifestyle as well, too, depending on your situation.
After three weeks, you can start testing to see if there’s a food that triggers you. You do this by testing one food at a time. So say you’re going to test eggs. So Monday’s day one.
I’m going to eat as many eggs as I can stomach, so to speak. Maybe some scrambled eggs for breakfast, maybe a hard-boiled egg on your salad at lunch, maybe, more scrambled eggs or whatever for dinner, you don’t want to mix any other foods that you’ve been limiting at that time.
You just want to test the eggs and then see how you feel. And then wait two days. If by the end of Wednesday, which is day three, you’re like, I don’t feel any different.
I’m just, my energy is still good. Then great eggs are fine. Keep eating eggs, test the next food item.
If, of course, you eat the eggs in the morning and you instantly feel sick. You don’t have to keep going right. Lunch and dinner, by the way. Yeah.
You just keep doing that for the next food and the next food to the next food.
You can test whatever foods you want. I always tell people, so the top one is the eggs, dairy corn, gluten, and soy. Garlic can sometimes be an issue.
If you have joint pain, night shades can be an issue, which is, your tomatoes and your hot peppers and your eggplant.
You might want to consider cutting those out at, during the elimination and anti-inflammatory and testing those as well, too, or any food that you love and eat a ton of like, if you like, I live on everything Hashi.
Are there any withdrawal symptoms that come from the anti-inflammatory diet?
There can be two reasons. One is your body, especially if it’s a food that you’re immune to, there’s this feedback mechanism in the brain that you end up becoming addicted to this food. That’s actually not good for you. So when you take that chocolate cookies,
Do you buck,
When you take that food away, you can essentially have withdrawal symptoms. Secondly, when you’re taking away inflammatory foods out of the diet, it’s giving your body a bit of a break and so it can end up going, okay.
Now I can actually get rid of some toxins and can move some things out if I want to. You may be detoxing as well, too. You can have things like fatigue, maybe a headache, maybe some brain fog they’re temporary. And these are good things.
This is your body saying, oh God, I’m currently taking out the trash. You know? So these are good things. When you get to the other side, it’s totally worth it. I.
Probably unusual. Great question.
So just so listen. One of the things that I love, love about talking to Dr. LeBron, is that what you’re hearing her say right now? She breaks it down to that simple.
Like, I think what happens with a lot of people is we hear all these big words, like oxidative stress. What is that? What is collagen? And really, what is that bone broth? I don’t even know what that is.
What is, like mitochondrial function, what is mitochondrial function? And, and we get intimidated because we don’t have any idea what actually is. We tend to push away from all of that instead of leaning in.
The one thing I will say with this one, especially she breaks it down into like real people talk so that when you walk away, you have an understanding of actually what your body is supposed to do and what it’s supposed to work and how it’s not.
Like takes really, the one thing I love about people when they’re educating is when they educate from a space of speaking to the person’s listening.
They’re not an intimidating force because I think people will speak in big words because they think it’s what they want to hear that year. It’s like, I don’t understand what that means.
Tell me, do I need to eat more kidney beans? Do I need to eat more red meat? Do I need to eat more asparagus? What’s up. So awesome. Thank you so much for that. I just wanted to give her props for that because she’s so good at that.
I did want to tag onto that real quick, because I also find that those big words are what people can sometimes gravitate to and then get suckered into like a sales pitch, because they’re like, Ooh, mitochondrial function and oxidative stress.
This supplement is going to fix all that when you don’t really understand what that means, but it sounds cool. Right? So basically it’s inflammation.
I want to real quick before we end our awesome tissue talk today, and I’m so excited for you guys that you got to join in. What about people who say that they don’t need supplements because they can get it through their food?
Oh yeah. I wish that was true. I really do.
Eat Your Veggies For Hormone Balance
Here’s the deal is that we need, ideally, if we lived in a world where we could eat all of our seven servings of fruits and vegetables every day, and that were getting quality produce that provided those nutrients, maybe we could get enough.
The other side of that equation that I think is most important is the demand on our body is much higher than really it was intended for our stress levels. Our performance demands that happen every day, we are burning through our nutrients like crazy.
In order to keep up with the demands of the world that we’re in, we just need supplements so that we can maintain, we need those extra nutrients so that we can perform in the level that’s expected in our modern society.
Also have the quality of life that we want to have now that we’re aging past 50.
Right? These nutrients, I always think of nutrients as the workers in the factory, on the assembly line, they are what help keeps things going.
More workers you have on the assembly line, the more productivity that you’re going to have. I always like boosting people’s levels up because you just, you feel a bit better.
You have more productivity and it’s, you just really, aren’t getting enough from the food to keep up with the demand that’s on our bodies.
The same thing though, you also don’t want just a whole ton of new workers in there, just working away that you don’t need.
You can have a whole bunch of workers doing all over here. That’s too much and not enough here. So it’s really knowing.
Which one. Yeah. Don’t just go and take a bunch of vitamin design. You do want it.
You want to get the right form. You want to make sure that you’re getting what’s appropriate for you.
You don’t want to be taking too much of one thing, cause that can be an issue as well, too.
One more question. If you were training, if you are a training, are there certain hormonal levels that are specific to your body type? Like mesomorph endomorph.
So, at the end of the day, the answer is balance. I mean, I know that’s not probably as specific as you would like, but it’s about, as far as the levels are concerned, it’s always about balance.
It’s about, there are certain ratios that we look for in certain windows that we look for with both the adrenals and the estrogen and the testosterones and the thyroids.
The appropriate balance is always what we’re looking for when it comes to managing hormone health and that will directly affect your fitness and performance levels. Yeah.
At the end of it all, basically as we get older, we’re able to put on muscle mass or soft tissue handle our, it runs as efficiently as it possibly, I believe can through a specific age range up until about what twenties and thirties. Yeah.
That’s probably a good, yeah, we do things start to shift after 30 and women peri-menopause literally can start as early as 35 and our growth hormone.
I haven’t gotten to you yet. Don’t worry. Our growth, our growth hormones naturally, we’re meant to reproduce and then kind of not reproduce our growth hormones naturally started to decline around 30 things, start to shift there.
Of course the big change can happen, which also happens for men too. Adrenal stress can exacerbate that for people as well, too. At what point that decline happens and how much of the decline occurs can vary from person to person based on.
You’re not going to be holding as much muscle mass as you did when you were younger. It’s something that doesn’t mean that you’re going to lose it completely. It means you just have to adapt and change with your body.
We’re about 30.
We lose on average about five pounds of muscle mass per year, if we don’t maintain it.
That has been shown in research with the decline in hormones. When we hit menopause enterprise, that’s been shown in reefers to be in research, to be exacerbated. We directly lose muscle mass.
That’s because we have hormone receptors on all of our muscle cells that allow for the hormones to stimulate growth and remodeling. For building and tone, and without that, we aren’t going to be able to achieve those results. Yeah.
Yeah. There are certain things that we can do, and there’s certain things that are just naturally going to change with us, but it doesn’t mean that we have to give up everything just started eating chocolate for the rest of our lives.
Well together, nutritional hormonal supplementation can keep things moving fairly well so that you aren’t completely falling apart and wasting. Okay,
You guys, we want to say thank you so much to Dr. Leverone over here. She’s amazing. If you guys have any questions, feel free. She will be online.
We’re tagging her. She’ll be able to answer some stuff for you, please. If for whatever reason it’s not Brook, let somebody help you because you can’t do it on your own. You want experts in their field.
We’re all about trying to educate and help you as much as possible. Thank you so much for joining us today and we will see you guys next week.